with civil rights, a great story is told. there is not much time trying to find a moderate path in the middle of 1962. it was extremely difficult politically and very unpopular. finding a courageous path forward in the ones with leadership. >> it seems to be the one area, civil rights, where in his conversations he is acutely aware that, like johnson was later, that there is absolutely no political gain in that at all. >> that's right. >> yet he is doing it anyway. >> and he took his time. we have discussions about civil rights in the campaign in 1960 or early in the administration and then it starts to move. >> he saw the presidency at the center of action and he didn't have the chief of staff. he wanted to have information directly. >> so here we go. we have one, two, three, four, five, six tapes. the first was recorded -- it is dimmer than the others. is 30 days after he declared his candidacy in the caucus room at the united states senate. it is mrs. kennedy and president kennedy and then bradley and his wife antonia, who